| Which of the following is NOT aromatic? |
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3dObject Member
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 11
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 1:39 pm Post subject: Which of the following is NOT aromatic? |
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The answer to the following question is given as choice C. But I think that choice D could also be a valid answer because the Carbon with the plus sign is not sp2 hybridized. Is my reasoning correct?
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adrian Regular
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 44 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:26 pm Post subject: Aromaticity rules |
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Please remember the three rules for aromaticity:
(4n+2) pi electrons
Continuos conjugation
plane molecule
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3dObject Member
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Posted: Sat Jul 01, 2006 9:49 pm Post subject: But... |
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I thought there was a rule that also said that all the atoms in the ring must be sp2 hybridized.
Is that not correct? If it is, then is it due to the plus charge "moving around" the ring if you will due to resonance, and therefore ensuring all the carbons will be sp2 hybridized?
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adrian Regular
Joined: 20 Apr 2006 Posts: 44 Location: Bucharest, Romania
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Posted: Sun Jul 02, 2006 10:36 am Post subject: but to but... |
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OK, continuos cojugation involve sp2 hybridization.. Let's analyse :
a: 6 pi electrons (=4x1+2)
b: 2 pi electrons (=4x0+2)
c: 4 pi electrons (non aromatic)
d: 6 pi electrons
e: 6 pi electrons
For the d structure: we have 6 pi electrons in the benzene ring. The missing electron is from the sp2 orbital and is not participate to the continuos conjugation. In my opinion, such a cation is not stable and that is just a theoretical problem. More on the problem of aromaticity you will find working on Huckel equations.
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elmyhalily13 Probably not a bot. Junior Member.
Joined: 26 Sep 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:20 pm Post subject: |
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| I had been this question during my studies. But still couldn't understand how to differentiate whether they are aromatic or not. Is there any principle or law to distinguish them?
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pdavis68 Junior Member
Joined: 19 Aug 2006 Posts: 6
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Posted: Mon Mar 26, 2007 8:46 pm Post subject: |
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Here's the deal with D, I believe. D has a positive charge, so it's short 2 electrons. Therefore, in D, a hydrogen left and took the electron pair with it.
It still has its other electrons involved in the conjugated pi system, so these are unaffected. So it retains its aromaticity.
Does that make sense?
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kristoph Junior Member
Joined: 06 Apr 2007 Posts: 8
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 2:51 pm Post subject: |
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| It still has its other electrons involved in the conjugated pi system, so these are unaffected. So it retains its aromaticity. |
But thats exactly what would make it non-aromatic. By losing those two electrons it will behave differently, similar to B. I am not sure of the answer, but I think it is one of those abnormal qualities of benzene that allows it to still be aromatic?
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RobJim Senior Member
Joined: 13 Feb 2005 Posts: 320 Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 6:22 am Post subject: |
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Those of you who posted after adrian don't seem to have understood xyr explanation. Aromatic systems always have 4n+2 pi electrons, or 2n+1 pi bonds, with n being zero or a positive integer. Because C has 4 pi electrons (2 pi bonds) it is not aromatic;
4(0)+2 = 2
4(1)+2 = 6
There's no way to get 4 from 4n+2 if n's an integer. All the others have the proper number of pi electrons/bonds.
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